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Post by Chelsea Meissner on Apr 7, 2015 16:07:50 GMT
*awkwardly waves and smiles* Ok, It's been a long time. I congratulate you both. Thank you to the hosts and PWs who commented and liked my confessionals making me feel loved and all that jazz. This cast was a really cool one and I was happy to meet most of you and talk to the lot of you. As the first juror, there's a lot that I've missed out on. The drama cirie caused (love you girl) to strategies and bonding and I'm going to need you to tell me more in detail, otherwise I'm just going to base my vote on social ties since I don't know the ins and outs of your strategy as well as some of the others. Now, I played the character of Chelsea, but I didn't want to play the game like she did. I had big moves in play. I saw CC as Kim, and Cirie as Sabrina, and there was no way I wanted the hotness and glory of Chelsea to get 3rd again. I actually saw myself working with Erinn Spencer Jaclyn and Sierra in the long run. I guess I waited one round too long to talk about those things to Erinn and Marcus, and I wish Spencer would have been around more so he didn't kill me off - But I feel kind of like ripped off. The game had just started going, and off I went. Now you may think that my vote off was a complete blindside, but I read people pretty well and I gave my 1/2 of the idol to Jaclyn - creating the full one in a desperate attempt to at least be relevant. Which leads me to Adam: Did you know I gave the idol 1/2 to Jaclyn? What would you have done without that idol? Basically, what would have happened, if I didn't get the feeling I was being voted out and that idol was not in play to save your butt. Would you be voted out at the F5 instead? How did you get the idol from Jaclyn? And another note. You and I didn't really bond pre-tribes. Like we spoke a lot but we had NOTHING in common. Different video games likes, tv likes, singer likes, food likes, etc. Also, sometimes it would feel like I was talking at you. I would ask you a question, you'd respond, and then not reciprocate. CC came to me sometime before merge and was like Adam trusts you and me the most. Was that a lie? I felt like CC was trying to manipulate me because you and I had barely spoken. If you seriously trusted me that much I felt like that was a lie. Tell me who you did trust. Silas: It sucks because you and I never bonded. We had like one good conversation about lifting/working out. Honestly, it makes it hard(er) to vote for you. You played the character of a douche apparently. I didn't get that- I just thought you were one. So, I'll try to put that aside when I cast my vote. Why should I vote for you when you apparently had bad jury management? Not very many people on this side have bonds or ties with you. Do you regret not forging more bonds? Also, how did voting me out help your game play? Did you know cirie was the mole at that time? ----- Question to you both: Give a fatal flaw to all the jury members. This is my test to see how in-tune you were both strategically and socially. AND How did you perceive our relationship. Me+You. How did you feel about me? What did you think of me? Be honest. I don't want that I LOVE YOU, NOW SUBLIMINALLY VOTE FOR ME crap. Also, don't be afraid to go into a lot of detail in any/all of the questions. As first juror, I don't know sh*t and need a lot of help knowing your game play and strategy.
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Post by Adam Gentry on Apr 7, 2015 19:26:03 GMT
Yes I knew Jaclyn had the idol before she told anyone. I had a final two with her from the start, and we both had the strategy to low law, and I think we did that very well for this cast. If Jaclyn didn't get the idol, Sierra would have still been voted out. I wouldn't have taken a risk in throwing votes on Dolly in case she didn't have the idol. Silas and Jaclyn would have voted Sierra, and it just would have been 3-2.
I honestly did trust you, I know we didn't have a ton in common, but I was being honest when I told Crystal I wanted to work with you two. It didn't matter to me that you didn't play league of legends or liked Beyonce. You were honestly fun to work with, and this isn't kissing your ass or anything, I'm being 100% honest and you will see that in confessionals after the game. When we were on tribes, the people I trusted the most was our four chat of you Spencer, and Crystal. When merge happened I still had that trust with you, now I did think you would turn on me, but it was too early on to be thinking about that, cause there was a whole other tribe, and I assumed you and Crystal would never turn on each other, and you fooled me on that one.
But for the sake of the game, Did I think you were going to come after me? No, I didn't pose a threat to you, and you didn't pose one to me either. We voted together the entire game you played, so yeah I did trust you, and I apologize if you felt like I didn't, it was mostly because I trusted people more than I trust you if that makes sense.
Chelsea Meissner Your fatal flaw in the game was being cocky to Marcus. That kind of ticked him off, and he decided to vote you out. I don't know exactly what was said cause I don't know what you two private messaged each other, but yeah apparently you said something that made him not want to work with you.
Cirie Fields Your fatal flaw was calling out Crystal in the public chat. I personally loved it, and was dying the entire time. But it really exposed you for going after her, when she didn't even flip. And people finally saw you were the person who voted out ROb.
Erinn Lobdell Your fatal flaw was being too quiet. From what I gathered from people like Jaclyn, and Silas when it came time to vote you, they couldn't get a read on you because you didn't connect with them. And that was super scary for me personally, which I why I wanted you out.
Marcus Lehman Your fatal flaw was using that power on Dolly. It exposed that you trusted her at least some bit to use a power on her, and it wasn't hard after that to convince people to vote you.
Spencer Bledsoe Your fatal flaw was getting that double vote and not using it sooner. Holding on to that power, made people nervous, well it made me nervous and that's why I pushed for it. It was getting down to the final 6 after that vote, and leaving you in with such a good power, was not a good idea.
Crystal Cox Your fatal flaw was all the personal attacks on Spencer. I tried multiple times to get Spencer not to go after you, for both your sake, but he told me directly that you had taken it to a new level, so I couldn't really fix that, which made it awkward, but I worked around it.
Sierra Dawn Thomas Your fatal flaw was talking to Dolly at final 5. Finding out that you flipped on me was not fun. We had a final 3 with Silas, and I didn't think it was that serious, but finding that out made me and Silas, well I can only speak for self cause I made the decision, it made me not trust you anymore.
Dolly Neely Your fatal flaw was not winning that final immunity. At that point, I had 2/3 of you guys willing to vote however I wanted. You knew if you didn't win, that you would be gone. Now the challenge wasn't something you could be great or bad at, but if you would have won, no doubt in my mind you would be sitting here right now.
Jaclyn Schultz Your fatal flaw was not being able to realize when a minute has passed. You fucked up the immunity which sent you home. You also didn't have a lot of friends in the jury, which if you would have made it would not have been good.
I personally really enjoyed talking to you, you were funny, before we were on tribes we did talk a lot more and I enjoyed it. On a game level I trusted you, because we had literally voted the same the entire duration of the game. Now did I think you were a sneaky bitch who would have gotten rid of me around final 6, yeah sort of. I knew I wasn't in your end game, and I think you knew that for me as well. We both had people we trusted more, and that's fine. But while you were in the game I did trust you. Honestly, if you weren't blindsided, I feel like you would have been the one to take me out this. But I can only speak from what happened with us, so yeah I did trust you and enjoy being on a tribe with you, and basically talking shit about Kathy.
Oh and before I forget.. When we got the clues for the idol, I specifically tried to help you and Crystal get a piece. That was a sign of me trusting you, whether or not you got it before or after I helped you, I still wanted one of us to get it.
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Post by Crystal Cox on Apr 7, 2015 22:19:28 GMT
Ugh I never made personal attacks. If Spencer is really Hitler reincarnated (which I am not ruling out) then maaaaybe it was.
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Post by Silas Gaither on Apr 8, 2015 3:48:04 GMT
Why should I vote for you when you apparently had bad jury management? Not very many people on this side have bonds or ties with you. Do you regret not forging more bonds? Also, how did voting me out help your game play? Did you know cirie was the mole at that time?
I don't feel as though I had poor jury management. Some people spoke to me more than others, that much is true. I had great talks with Cirie, Adam, Jac, Sierra, Dolly and Marcus. I wouldn't say that not having intimate relationships with every juror is poor jury management. I wish that I had had more time to form those relationships but I didn't. I, nonetheless, tried to respect everybody on the jury from a gameplay perspective and not cross any lines or hurt anybody, which I'd say I succeeded in doing.
Voting you out helped my gameplay a great deal. You were one of the 4 people that I didn't really have a solid relationship with. I knew that, no matter what, we'd never really be on the same side. You were a social, strategic and physical threat and you were most definitely against me. Keeping you would have had no advantages, honestly. When I voted for you, there was talk of Cirie going instead. I pushed for it to be you because I knew my relationship with Cirie was salvageable whereas ours was not. I wanted to target Cirie next, but getting rid of you first left me less room for failure. People were pissed at Cirie, they weren't pissed at you. You had way more possibility to rebound and she most definitely did not. I'm happy I pushed for that, because I don't think you would've gone the next round like Cirie did.
Give a fatal flaw to all the jury members. This is my test to see how in-tune you were both strategically and socially.
I'll answer this later with all the other comparisons. (I'll make a massive post).
How did you perceive our relationship. Me+You. How did you feel about me? What did you think of me?
Frankly, I had no relationship with you pre-merge. I remember seeing you on the group chat chatting away with Josh, Sierra, Jac, Colton and the like. I kinda just grouped you in with them at that point and wrote you off until tribes. When you weren't on my tribe, I didn't speak to you either, since there was a clear divide forming at that time and I knew it'd be hard to form a relationship with you. Dan made me feel as though you weren't someone worth talking strategy with and I, honestly, took his word for it. When we finally spoke, and I realized (only at that point...) that you were a 20-something year old native english speaker, my perception totally changed. I still don't have much to say but I respected you a lot more as an intellectual and as an all-around person after that point. Our relationship was, nonetheless, strained. I always felt as though we were kinda passively threatening each other in every conversation and we knew we weren't against each other. You kinda talked down to me and clearly didn't see me as much of a threat, which really pleased me because that's what I wanted. You telling me I should feel in danger really helped me realize that I wasn't in danger. I kinda liked our short conversations though. I enjoyed talking about working out and I liked how on edge I had to be while talking to you. We were both working for information and that was clear to me. I respect you as a game player, but I stick to the fact that our relationship was probably one of the weakest ones I built out here.
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Post by Silas Gaither on Apr 9, 2015 23:11:17 GMT
Sorry for the holdup Chelsea! I like this question a lot, honestly, and I feel as though I will demonstrate the knowledge you're looking for. And to everyone, I'm super sorry for the holdup! No clue how Adam answers within like 10 minutes of questions going up.I put a lot of thought into these and they take me like an hour! I'll try my best to finish ASAP. Sorry!
Chelsea Meissner
Your fatal flaw, honestly, was arrogance during the round you left. When me and you spoke that day, you didn't even entertain the idea of saving me. You were like "yeah, you should maybe be worried :/". So, when Spencer approached me about his flip and was like "I'm leaning towards Cirie over Chelsea", it led me (and also Marcus) to say "Absolutely not, Chelsea is against us and she's made that abundantly clear".
Cirie Fields
Your fatal flaw was probably your idea that you could somehow lie about flipping and not get caught. Had you, after the Robb vote, fessed up and tried to mend bridges and not alienate your entire old alliance, you might have gotten sympathy. But there was no way you could actually play this game out without getting uncovered man, you knew that. When I found out (like a day later), the fact you tried to lie kinda just added to the betrayal.
Erinn Lobdell
Yeah, Adam hit the nail on the head with this one. You were quiet. You were the only person who didn't talk about the auction with me, which led me to think you had something awesome and were hiding it. You, Sierra and Spencer were a scary threesome, and you were the person we knew we had the least chance of swinging over to our side whenever the cookie crumbled.
Marcus Lehman
I really do think you idol paranoia got the best of you, bud. You weren't that on the radar until I had like 4 people come and tell me in one round that you were "freaking out" over idols. And I mean I knew you were with me, but it surprised me that you were being so gung-ho with everyone else too. You talked about it with everyone and I think the paranoia rubbed a lot of them the wrong way.
Spencer Bledsoe
I'm not go gonna into the multiple deal-making thing for this one but go for something else. I feel as though you backstabbed too many people who actually trusted you to bring you closer to people who didn't. I can't speak towards your closeness with Chelsea, but turning on her clearly alienated Cirie and Crystal, especially. You still voted Cirie the next round and then went on to vote out Marcus (or try to, at least haha) two rounds later. You took out the people that trusted you and left people who didn't (*cough* me *cough*) in the game. The untrustworthiness you demonstrated even made me less confident working with you cause it scared the fuck out of me.
Crystal Cox
I had to come back to this one because finding a flaw in your game is pretty hard. The flaw Adam listed clearly wasn't fatal, since you outlasted Spencer. I think you just had too much going for it and you didn't hide it! That played for you and against you. You got a killer amount of likes (which made me jealous LOL), were clearly a jury and PW favourite and were a challenge threat on top of all that. Nobody ever disputed the fact you were a massive threat and had to go with me (except for Adam once or twice). People knew it and were saying it since the first vote of the merge and you were never able to brush that title off. Like I said, it made your game but it also, ultimately, broke your game.
Sierra Dawn Thomas
Honestly, you didn't make many mistakes. Your mistake was losing to me at the f5 immunity. Had you won that, me or Jac would have gone home and then you'd have been sitting at f4 with the numbers at 2-2 and a bigger target on Dolly's back. I think that with that immunity, you'd probably have made it to the final 2.
Dolly Neely
Honestly, had you not done a few sketchy things earlier in the merge, I'd probably have felt loyal to you and tied to vote. I'd say you fatal flaw (on top of what Adam said) was having too many connections and not making me feel loved, warm and cuddly enough. Giving your necklace to Sierra and having such leverage with Spencer, Erinn and Sierra earlier were kindof giveaways to me that our finals agreement from pre-merge wasn't really a thing anymore. Had I still felt that bond later on, though, the whole merge would've likely worked out differently. We both went our own ways (that's how life goes, I guess </3) and that led me to not feel bad about voting you out at f4.
Jaclyn Schultz
Adam saying your fatal flaw was not being able to count to a minute seems pretty fair, honestly. But also, not ever attempting to strike an f2 with me kinda sealed the deal and made me feel uneasy about how "with me" you really were. Also, Adam never lied to me. Whenever the vote wasn't going my way (Robb, Chelsea (before it ended up going my way), Marcus), Adam let me know that I was safe regardless. I had a real and formal deal with Adam that I never had with you. Obviously, had you gotten your counting straight, that would've worked out also.
Thanks Chels!
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